Comments on: Why I liked Ubuntu (and my thoughts on Gutsy Werewolf, aka Fedora 8) http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8 A permanent record for what's interesting today - this is my live journal Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:46:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Paul Bersch http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130142 Paul Bersch Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:57:39 +0000 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130142 The any-any patch is no longer necessary. VMware fixed that with the 1.04 release. I can confirm that it works on Gutsy. From the release notes: (http://www.vmware.com/support/server/doc/releasenotes_server.html#resolved) "This release fixes a problem that prevented the VMware vmnet module from building correctly on hosts running Linux with kernel versions higher than 2.6.21." The any-any patch is no longer necessary. VMware fixed that with the 1.04 release. I can confirm that it works on Gutsy.

From the release notes:
(http://www.vmware.com/support/server/doc/releasenotes_server.html#resolved)
“This release fixes a problem that prevented the VMware vmnet module from building correctly on hosts running Linux with kernel versions higher than 2.6.21.”

]]> By: Mike Fedyk http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130131 Mike Fedyk Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:54:54 +0000 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130131 The partner (previously named "commercial") lags behind a bit in new ubuntu releases. I usually install realplayer from there. When feisty first came out, there wasn't a realplayer available in partner repo, so I just installed the package from the edgy-partner repo. I checked a few months later after checking through the updated packages since the feisty release, and realplayer was updated from the feisty partner repo now that there was a package available. Unfortunately that won't work with the vmware package for feisty (it probably doesn't have a new enough any-any patch for 2.6.22). Also it's too bad that vmware 1.0.4 hasn't been updated in the feisty partner repo, there are some security updates in the new version I believe. So, to sum things up: "Uhh, the partner repo is usually empty for the latest release and then gets populated in the near-term afterwards -- install a package from an earlier release, it'll probably tide you over until an update comes out for the latest version." The partner (previously named “commercial”) lags behind a bit in new ubuntu releases. I usually install realplayer from there.

When feisty first came out, there wasn’t a realplayer available in partner repo, so I just installed the package from the edgy-partner repo. I checked a few months later after checking through the updated packages since the feisty release, and realplayer was updated from the feisty partner repo now that there was a package available.

Unfortunately that won’t work with the vmware package for feisty (it probably doesn’t have a new enough any-any patch for 2.6.22). Also it’s too bad that vmware 1.0.4 hasn’t been updated in the feisty partner repo, there are some security updates in the new version I believe.

So, to sum things up: “Uhh, the partner repo is usually empty for the latest release and then gets populated in the near-term afterwards — install a package from an earlier release, it’ll probably tide you over until an update comes out for the latest version.”

]]> By: Paul Bersch http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130130 Paul Bersch Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:18:51 +0000 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130130 Installing VMware is pretty easy. 1. Install the build-essential, linux-headers-`uname -r` (to get the ones for your current kernel), and xinetd packages using apt. 2. Download the VMware Server tarball from VMware and extract the contents. 3. Run the vmware-install.pl script in the extracted directory as root. If I remember correctly, all of the defaults it suggests are correct. You pretty much can just hit "Enter" until it asks you for your serial number. It automatically compiles kernel modules and even adds itself to your menu. Certainly it is harder than just installing the package from the repositories, but it's easy enough that if a user can't do it, that user probably wouldn't be able to figure out how to use VMware anyway. Installing VMware is pretty easy.

1. Install the build-essential, linux-headers-`uname -r` (to get the ones for your current kernel), and xinetd packages using apt.

2. Download the VMware Server tarball from VMware and extract the contents.

3. Run the vmware-install.pl script in the extracted directory as root.

If I remember correctly, all of the defaults it suggests are correct. You pretty much can just hit “Enter” until it asks you for your serial number. It automatically compiles kernel modules and even adds itself to your menu.

Certainly it is harder than just installing the package from the repositories, but it’s easy enough that if a user can’t do it, that user probably wouldn’t be able to figure out how to use VMware anyway.

]]> By: AndrewJ http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130124 AndrewJ Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:30:40 +0000 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130124 I am new to the whole Linux thing but I am 100% in agreement with about half your points in this entry. While Ubuntu is a great distro I however feel it better to learn Fedora. Why is this ? honestly i have no idea. I just like the simpler commands for yum then the APT packagemanager and so on but I am going to give Gutsy Ubuntu a more in depth review for myself once I have a chance I am new to the whole Linux thing but I am 100% in agreement with about half your points in this entry. While Ubuntu is a great distro I however feel it better to learn Fedora. Why is this ? honestly i have no idea. I just like the simpler commands for yum then the APT packagemanager and so on but I am going to give Gutsy Ubuntu a more in depth review for myself once I have a chance

]]> By: James http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130121 James Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:34:59 +0000 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130121 If you are reinstalling, you might want to give Project Indiana (aka OpenSolaris Developer Preview) a spin. I haven't tried it myself, but here's some guesses as to how it will stand up to your list: * sleep/resume - unlikely to work * wifi - good chances of working, and nwam is apparently a nice alternative to n-m * video out - probably similar chances of working, it's got a mostly-upstream Xorg * sound - OSS is included, should be fine * codecs - you'd probably have to compile your own, using spec-files-extra. Fluendo does have some plugins for OpenSolaris available * media keys - I'd assume these work ok * virtualization - Xen (rebraned as xVM) is available * fully 64-bit OS - You get a 64bit kernel and a mostly 32bit userspace * Skype, GizmoProject - unlikely to work * compiz effects - compiz is available * hibernate - again, unlikely to work * sd/mmc/memory stick card reader - also unlikely to work. it has better chances of working in gutsy/f8, there's been support added for more devices upstream. * tv out - again, probably similar chances It's good to see Fedora has built up steam and caught up with Ubuntu, after being caught napping when warty came out. F6 was ok, F7 was better, and as you say, F8 is as good, if not better than Gutsy. Now we'll reap the benefits of two quality desktop distributions competing for mindshare. Hardy is going to be a conservative release, but that doesn't mean we won't see new features, perhaps a <a href="http://www.scottlu.com/Content/Link-Backup.html" rel="nofollow">Time Machine</a> clone? 10.5 looks to be a fairly rich vein of ideas to mine, unlike Vista. If you are reinstalling, you might want to give Project Indiana (aka OpenSolaris Developer Preview) a spin. I haven’t tried it myself, but here’s some guesses as to how it will stand up to your list:
* sleep/resume - unlikely to work
* wifi - good chances of working, and nwam is apparently a nice alternative to n-m
* video out - probably similar chances of working, it’s got a mostly-upstream Xorg
* sound - OSS is included, should be fine
* codecs - you’d probably have to compile your own, using spec-files-extra. Fluendo does have some plugins for OpenSolaris available
* media keys - I’d assume these work ok
* virtualization - Xen (rebraned as xVM) is available
* fully 64-bit OS - You get a 64bit kernel and a mostly 32bit userspace
* Skype, GizmoProject - unlikely to work
* compiz effects - compiz is available
* hibernate - again, unlikely to work
* sd/mmc/memory stick card reader - also unlikely to work. it has better chances of working in gutsy/f8, there’s been support added for more devices upstream.
* tv out - again, probably similar chances

It’s good to see Fedora has built up steam and caught up with Ubuntu, after being caught napping when warty came out. F6 was ok, F7 was better, and as you say, F8 is as good, if not better than Gutsy. Now we’ll reap the benefits of two quality desktop distributions competing for mindshare. Hardy is going to be a conservative release, but that doesn’t mean we won’t see new features, perhaps a Time Machine clone? 10.5 looks to be a fairly rich vein of ideas to mine, unlike Vista.

]]> By: SysAdmin’s Diary :: Fedora 8 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130111 SysAdmin’s Diary :: Fedora 8 Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:54:01 +0000 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130111 [...] would like to recommend some good readings on Fedora 8 from ex Fedora guy, energetic Fedora boy and Red Hat staff. Also, Thorsten Leemhuis is kind enough to announce the [...] [...] would like to recommend some good readings on Fedora 8 from ex Fedora guy, energetic Fedora boy and Red Hat staff. Also, Thorsten Leemhuis is kind enough to announce the [...]

]]> By: Jeremy Katz http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130108 Jeremy Katz Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:46:36 +0000 http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/11/08/why-i-liked-ubuntu-and-my-thoughts-on-gutsy-werewolf-aka-fedora-8#comment-130108 Don't discount those VMs you have on disk -- the vmdk format used by VMWare has been reverse engineered and the version of kvm in Fedora 8 has those bits. I haven't actually *tried* it, but I've read reports that it works just fine. And moving to kvm is definitely the right thing to do :-) Don’t discount those VMs you have on disk — the vmdk format used by VMWare has been reverse engineered and the version of kvm in Fedora 8 has those bits. I haven’t actually *tried* it, but I’ve read reports that it works just fine. And moving to kvm is definitely the right thing to do :-)

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